MSNBC host Ali Velshi tore into NBC News British Historian Dr. Andrew Roberts over inserting Queen Elizabeth II‘s demise and succession in context with the UK’s historical past of brutal colonialism.

One facet of the dying of British monarch Queen Elizabeth II has been a disagreement over how much attention must be paid to the brutal history that her crown represents.

That battle exploded in all places MSNBC displays Saturday morning when Roberts tried to, in Velshi’s estimation, “whitewash” that historical past, which Velshi referenced in his show open.

Velshi just went to city on Roberts, who made a decent point about slavery, and not more efficient level about “even evil monsters” like Vladimir Putin writing to praise the monarchy:

DR. ANDREW ROBERTS: I think that’s wildly overstated, frankly. I believe when you look at the entire opinion polls, we’re about eighty to eighty five% in prefer of having a constitutional monarchy. Whoever’s in in on the throne. So I think that is extraordinarily overdone, frankly. Reasonably, I’m afraid to assert, as your introduction used to be, if we had given so much ache to individuals all the way through history, why used to be Prince Charles chosen with the aid of each single Commonwealth country, many of that are former imperial nations, as the top of the Commonwealth, we abolished slavery thirty–

ALI VELSHI: Andrew, cling on a 2d. Are you really denying what I simply mentioned about British colonialism? Are you in point of fact doing that? Andrew, are you actually doing that?

DR. ANDREW ROBERTS: Sure. We abolished slavery…

ALI VELSHI: Andrew This isn’t a propaganda express!

DR. ANDREW ROBERTS: Sooner than you did, and we–

ALI VELSHI: Andrew I want you to prevent! I would like you to prevent for a 2nd. Are you actually taking problem with with the horrors of colonialism?

DR. ANDREW ROBERTS:I’m, I’m surely taking issue together with your remarks about slavery, which we abolished 32 years ahead of you probably did. We didn’t need to kill 600,000 people in a civil war over it.

ALI VELSHI: So you you assume that that’s high-quality, that there are individuals all over the place the sector who are born in colonial countries? As a result of when I used to be born, the British Empire nonetheless existed. And that’s k for everybody to assert.

DR. ANDREW ROBERTS: Which usa had been you born in?

ALI VELSHI: Kenya.

DR. ANDREW ROBERTS: Proper. And yet the Kenyans no longer only supported the appointment of Prince Charles, now King Charles as the top of the commonwealth, we’ve just had an out of this world observation from the president of Kenya saying what a phenomenal factor —

ALI VELSHI: And the president of the USA goes to attend her funeral. In point of fact–

DR. ANDREW ROBERTS: Then why on this planet do you wish to have to concentrate on the, only the bad things of an establishment, which is 100 years ago now?

ALI VELSHI: I will be able to read you my, my, my opening once more. I didn’t be aware of it. I mentioned that there are various people on the earth, many tens of millions of individuals on the earth. I don’t understand if you have social media, however you will have to check it out — who don’t think we must be celebrating the British monarchy at this time. And lots of in Britain, by the way in which. Many in Britain.

DR. ANDREW ROBERTS: No, nnot many in Britain, no longer. The place are these individuals in Britain? You realize, as I say, between ten and 15% of individuals don’t desire a moment.

ALI VELSHI: You’re just pprepared to push aside ten or 15% of the British population who thinks that’s an anachronism.

DR. ANDREW ROBERTS: I feel if I recall to mind 80 or 85% of individuals consider the rest, you’ll some distance more likely and some distance more proper to concentrate on them slightly than the tiny minority. It’s a little like people who consider in, I dunno, zoastrianism.

ALI VELSHI: So I in truth suppose one of the failings of our historical past is that we don’t concentrate on minorities or the views of minorities. So that you and I will range in that. I in truth assume that when when there are minorities who don’t see issues the identical way as everybody else, we will have to actually shine a mild on them.

DR. ANDREW ROBERTS: On a really perfect national party like this, I truly assume to concentrate on what 10% of people think moderately than what, eighty to 85% people say.

ALI VELSHI: There’s a lot more individuals in this world who don’t see it the identical method, who grew up underneath the yoke of colonialism and the British Empire.

DR. ANDREW ROBERTS: The best way during which the whole, the leaders of the complete world are writing to, even evil monsters like Putin, are writing to King Charles and announcing what an excellent thing his mom’s reign used to be, which began as you in reality had on your opening. For your intro, you had to discuss about the great imperial household to which all of us belong. You realize, the concept that is by some means a an assault on our past is is further bad.

ALI VELSHI: Well, it’s it’s good so to whitewash that type of thing. Andrew And I’m happy that you simply closed off with the concept even Vladimir Putin had good things to assert concerning the queen that type of steals the dialog for us. Andrew, thanks very much for becoming a member of us, NBC Information British historian.

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