Conservative commentator Erick Erickson sat down on Friday with former Vice President Mike Pence at Erickson’s annual The Gathering adventure, which was once broadcast are living by way of The First.

Erickson pressed Pence on a few of his policy positions and Pence drew a contract between himself and GOP fronter Donald Trump — his former boss he’s now difficult for the GOP nomination.

“I mean, we’ve a debt these days the size of our nation’s financial system for the first time for the reason that World Conflict II,” Pence mentioned, adding:

And greater than 70% of all federal spending is in Social Safety and Medicare. Now, Joe Biden’s policy is insolvency. He received’t even speak about standard sense reforms for younger Americans of those long-term entitlement applications.

And admittedly, my former running mate’s coverage is similar to Joe Biden’s, so they gained’t even talk about it. There’s people that will be on that debate stage subsequent Wednesday evening which have mentioned literally that reforming executive spending is any person else’s problem, another president’s problem.

Later within the dialog, Pence delivered, “You understand, I all the time stood loyally by way of President Donald Trump unless my oath to the Constitution required me to do otherwise.”

.@Mike_Pence: ‘I Was Loyal to Trump’ … My Variations with Him Go Some distance Past January 6#TheGathering2023 %twitter.com/4DQd89gKM6

— The First (@TheFirstonTV) August 18, 2023

In up to date months, Pence has defended defying Trump to certify the 2020 presidential election on Jan. sixth. “But my differences with the president go a ways beyond that fateful day, and I am hoping to have a chance to debate them with him. From time to time people ask me, How do you envision debating Donald Trump? I say, I have debated Donald Trump a thousand times, just now not with the cameras on him. Look, we’ve real differences about the future of the usa as neatly,” Pence concluded.

On the same even, Gov. Brian Kemp published he’s sure he’ll be known as as a witness at Trump’s Georgia trial, and Gov. Ron DeSantis vowed to depart drug traffickers “stone cold useless” on the southern border if elected president.

Watch the whole clip above via The First TV.

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